Jeremiah 29:13 “And you shall seek me, and find me,
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Thursday, May 8, 2008

Hail Mary & Ark of the New Covenant

Although I can see how the Ark of the Covenant could shadow Mary
being the vessel who gave birth to Christ, I have not found that the requirement of her to be “without” sin @ the conception a valid point.
It is true that the details to build the Ark of the Covenant were painstakingly detailed but did this also have to infer than Mary had to be perfect and without sin?
From what I have found Biblically the answer is no.

Let me preface this as I have taken on this challenge very seriously. I have been in constant prayer and have read every word and every scripture on the two articles. My reliance is solely upon the Holy Spirit leading me to the truth. I am no theologian and reading these theories written by I’m sure well respected and highly educated men is initially a daunting task. But the one thing I have learned is to be sensitive to the Spirit as He’s our guide and counselor leading us into all truths. He will never fail us. (Although we may fail ourselves by not listening or trying to persuade the outcome to our own desires)

So as you have requested me to look at the information posted and see if I can find scripture which would refute these claims I ask that you in turn try to be objective and keep and open mind and heart as you read on.

So this is where I begin as it is where I was first led.

In the Spirit.

This is some information taken from “Understanding the Anointing” by Kenneth Hagin. Nothing struck me relating to Mary until I almost read it to the end.

The Sprit without Measure. (The Anointing gifts from the Father)

The reason Jesus could have the Spirit without measure is because his body was not mortal.

He could be tempted in all points like we are, because he was human, but he was like Adam before he sinned. Adam could be tempted-but before Adam sinned; his body was neither mortal nor immortal. (He did have to sustain his body by eating)

If Adam’s body had been mortal, it would have been subject to death-but Adam originally was not subject to death. The Word of God says that death affects you when you sin. “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin; so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned.” (Romans 5:12) Death didn’t pass on mankind until Adam sinned.

That is the reason why Jesus couldn’t be killed until He was made sin for us. Jesus said, “No man taketh it (his life) from me, but I lay it down of myself” (John 10:18)

One time an angry mob wanted to kill him but he slipped through their midst and disappeared (Luke 4:29,30)

Then, in the garden of Gethsemane, when He took upon His spirit nature our sins and our diseases, His body became mortal, and they could kill him. (Luke 22:44)

Jesus had the Holy Spirit without measure all through his ministry and it did not bother or affect him.

(If you have felt or had the indwelling of the presence of the Holy Spirit it’s a feeling of “energy”.) Some people have a particular anointing and can be given this anointing to a greater or lesser degree. The anointing comes upon you when you need it as the Holy Spirit wills. Not at your beckon call. People who have had the anointing of Preaching,Teaching,Healing, sometimes have so much power flow through them they can hardly stand it. They beg the Holy Spirit to have it cease. (This is a great study as well if you haven’t already)

This anointing can be passed on from one to another as they did in the early Church.

So the bottom line of all of this is that Mary was not transformed into a sinless being as the “Ark of the New Covenant” and died. If she did not die then why does the Bible not mention she was “caught away” into heaven like Elijah? So if we are to assume something it should be on the conservative side and believe she died like the rest of sinful humans.

Catholics have adopted the aspect of the Assumption which sways the omission of her final outcome into “Assuming” she didn’t die at all. Well, that’s just why it is correctly named” Assumption.” An assumption does not meant it to be truth. And if you start “assuming” too much in the Bible then the “actual” meaning becomes perverted.

As in evolution today we are taught this theory as truth. When it really is just an assumption. The truth still stands in God's Word of Creation.

Such as the Catholic interpretation of Rev 12. The woman is Israel and the promised seed(Jesus)trying to be devoured by Satan. The "New Eve" just doesn’t hold water. Yes Jesus does call her woman in John 2:4 and 19:26. What does that prove? It proves to me that he did not want her to be held in special esteem. Or he would have called her “Blessed Mother” or the many other terms available in Catholic terminology. Could it be a type of “shadow” of the Birth of Jesus. Yes, but it does not allude to anything more. Revelation 12:6 mentions that this “woman” fled into the wilderness. That’s definitely the saved Jewish Christians in the Tribulation period.

Another way Mary did not have to be “perfect” to be used as the vessel to birth Jesus. She did not have to be free of “original sin.”


Exodus 20:5.”There the Lord speaks of visiting the sins of the fathers on the children. I believe this is a hint that our sin nature is inherited from our earthly father, not from our mother. If so then even though all mothers have a sin nature, theirs is not passed to their children, only the father's. That means that Jesus, while born of a human mother, did not inherit Mary's sin nature. And since His Father was without sin, so was He.” By GracethruFaith


Read the Song of Mary. Luke 1:46-55. note “ For He has regarded the lowly state of His maidservant; For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed.”

She admits to having a “lowly state”. Only because she’s poor or can this include sinful? And yes everyone will call her blessed. She was the woman chosen out of all women to be used for the birth of the Messiah. She was definitely blessed. But she was not meant to be anything more.

The name says it all? Hail, full or grace the Lord is with you. Blessed art thou among women.

Hail in this text means to “be joyful.” Not as in Hail Caesar or Hitler.

John chapter 1 clearly tells us that Jesus Christ is the one that is full of grace. Mary is never said to be full of grace in the scripture. John goes on to tell us in verse 16 that we are all full of His grace and truth, because all believers have Jesus dwelling within them. Only in this sense could Mary have been full of grace.

The Greek word “koine” or “blessed" when speaking of Mary is not the same
word used when referring to our Lord. The word used for Mary means to pronounce fortunate, and indeed she was. On the other hand the word used for blessed when referring to our Lord means to be adored.


So one might ask WHY is there so much attention placed upon Mary?

Just stand back and look at the entire Bible. It’s not about Mary at all. It’s all about the redemption of mankind through the coming Messiah and beyond His death and resurrection.

You really have to stretch the scriptures and begin to assume things to place Mary in that light. The other religion that also lifts her up is Islam.

Why do you think many of the Christian denominations rebel against that ideology?

The Spirit of Truth is the same Holy Spirit of the Father available to all of His children. Available to all His Churches which make up the Body of Christ.

Does the Catholic Church think anyone can be saved outside of it? In Revelation we have the greeting to the Seven Churches which is a model for us today. The last 4 have meaning for Churches today. The following would relate to the Body of Christ in todays time as well.

The church of Pergamum (meaning mixed marriage)

The church of the 4th century. When pagan and Christian practices mixed in the Roman Empire & became the official religion.
The mother/child idea started in Babylon and moved to Pergamum.(You can look up the traditions of Semeramis & Tammuz.)

The church of Thyatira (continual sacrifice) is close to the Catholic Church today. Note some are saved out of it. She has mercy, compassion, and Gospel. Her sins are sexual immorality and idolatry.
**They add to the Gospel.

The church of Sardis (Remnant) is close to the Protestant Church today. Note some are saved out of it. They broke away from the some of the pagan doctrines but rejected the Holy Spirit and lost the truth.
**They subtract from the Gospel.

The church of Philadelphia. (City of Brotherly love)
Has little strength, kept his Word, and has not denied His name. These are just the Bible believing Christians not tied up and burdened with tradition and false doctrine. Note: They are all saved and are kept from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world…..
**They try to stay true to the Gospel.

The church of Laodiceans (The People Rule or People’s opinions)
is close to the New Age Church Today. Note they are not saved unless they open the door and get out and into Jesus.
**They ignore the Gospel.

It would be wise to take heed of these examples given in the Book of Revelation as we are in the Last Days. They are for our instruction and examination. We are to test which “Church” we are influenced by.

There was an argument w/the Catholics about Revelation 22:18

It was stated that that passage about adding to or taking away from
God’s word only applied to Revelation its self and not the entire Bible
since it was not yet put together at the time Revelation was written.

If you see Deuteronomy 12:32 what God commanded to the Israelites
Regarding the law.

“Whatever I command you, be careful to observe it; you shall not add to or take away from it.”

Jeremiah 26:2-The Lord told Jeremiah to speak to all the people, all the words, don’t diminish a word. (Don’t tone down the message.)

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Do not be carried about with various and strange doctrines.”

So what was true in the past about Christ is true in the future about Christ and we don’t need new doctrines.

The Catholics seem to pride themselves as being from the Original Universal Church. We started it so we must have it right attitude.

Personally, I don’t think any denomination has is 100% right. Some more than others perhaps. Obviously the church of Philadelphia is favored in God’s eyes compared to the others. And why? Because they are simplistic and follow the basic message and commandments of the Bible. They don’t add to it, take away from it, or ignore it. They accept the Word as is.

Luke 10:21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit and said, “I thank you Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and revealed them to babes. Even so, Father for it seemed good in Your sight.”

These were just simple guys out sharing the gospel. They weren’t scholars or seminary students. All you need is a call from God and the power of the Holy Spirit.

When I think of going up against the theologians of the Catholic Church I imagine running myself into a brick wall. That is probably why most people try to avoid confrontations on such matters.

I’ve been praying for you to find your calling as I think you’ve been called. I was not praying for you to switch your faith. Just that you would be sensitive to the Holy Spirit, fully submit and follow where He is leading you.

That’s what I have done and it’s been more of a blessing than I could have ever imagined and I was led right into a Holy Spirit filled Church. Full of the Presence and Glory of God. I now feel His presense both coporately in Church during Worship and at times individually. My personal relationship is with Yahweh though my Lord Jesus Christ with the help of the Holy Spirit and no one else.

I wish you all the Blessings the Lord has to give you.

Your humble sister in Christ,

Lisa